clintons after 20 years and hillary clinton took the brunt of that. she took the brunt for her husband and everything else. we all know that. >> she was the receptacle of negative polarization in that election. is donald trump going to be that vehicle in 2020? as of now, it does seem like the democratic base is certainly motivated and primed to come out. you look at what happened in 2018 and how their turnout ballooned. certainly republicans had pretty strong turnout. but democrats widely surpassed it. so they're on good footing if they keep their people motivated and excited. >> yeah, my point was look, i worked on hillary campaign. i actually did african american ad outreach. and what we found was we wanted to tie barack obama to hillary clinton. that didn't work because obama's coattails weren't long enough to drag hillary across the finish line. what we found is voters felt apathetic because the obama, you know, layover effect was really putting a drag on democratic turnout. >> explain the language.