his campaign, when he learned from david axelrod and obama that telling your story is how you can really draw people in. this is a very interesting part of his biography because we've never really had a presidential candidate rise this high who is openly gai. and to talk to the mayor about this and how he struggled, this is really interesting, because this was a time, this kind of micro generation in which he grew up, people my age who are like between 35 and 40 where things were changing so rapidly with gay rights and he's really, i think, an avatar for that generation and how acceptance has become much more broad. >> first started talking about this with rachel maddow, which was fascinating and again now with you in a much broader way in "the sunday times." then we have kamala harris, joe biden, with mika, margaret, being asked by mika about those moments on the debate stage where he really just was almost struck silent, giving up some of his time when kamala harris started going after him. >> i cede my time back.