alienate people who may be are somewhat uncertain exactly how the democrats are talking about this issue. and i think there are reasons to be skeptical if that's the case. >> we have to go but i want to come back to what we're talking about. this can seem -- democrats cannot lose the upper ground. there's only one party and one man separating families. there's only one person who has it in his legacy to the end of time that he proudly announced a policy separating babies from their parents and that's donald j. trump. >> that's right and this is why it's very important for national democrats to really think carefully how it is they talk about the kind of immigration policy we would like to see. and there is an affirmative policy. go big but don't separate families, but i think it's beyond that. if democrats go down this sort of rabbit hole of where republicans want them to on this, we can hand them the issue right back. >> aaron blake, thank you for spending time with us.