candidates and i think democrats, the challenge here is how to have this conversation. it's hard for democrats to enforce our laws and to not put children in cages. to not have soap or deodorant. how do you talk about those things in the country that's easily influenced by this president that can play pied piper. >> trump using fear as a tool, has a tool at his disposal. border patrol and i.c.e. it's not just the rhetoric of fear. he's deploying people. he's using parts of his administration that have enforcement arms. armed and going over and doing these things. that's a key difference between this administration and other administrations. >> two, quick points, going back