is speaking behind him. they said this is pretty generally a bernie crowd, although senator sanders is not there, but when he wiwe spoke w lot of people who were with him last time or liked him, they were mostly still shopping. so he hasn't locked in what would have been his vote. what do you think? >> i think that's absolutely right, joy. the bernie people have a presence here, but let's wait and see. there is a lot of enthusiasm about electing a woman. i've seen it in so many events. if you look at the list of the panels, so many are women elected for the first time in 0 2016 or 2017. i looked at how to win back the blue collar voter in 2020 and it had to be sponsored by the teamsters because it wasn't part of the vibe here. many of the people here were journalists and not panelists.