conquer strategy. pitting one group of americans against another. making white americans think that these hispanic voters are coming in and somehow diminishing their votesors egalitarianism in our country. it's this divide and conquer strategy that has pushed our politics into this horrible state we're in. the truth is that the solution to all of this is to reform our immigration laws. then it doesn't really matter whether you put a citizenship question on the censor not. but clearly a lot of people, the president included, prefer the politics of immigration over the solutions for immigration because if plays well come campaign season. >> well, and i think we'd, we've got to figure out how to take the politics out of map drawing. i don't know how -- it is state by state. >> the supreme court allowed us to put the politics into map drawing. >> the democrats are in a odd