hicks shouldn't testify recently was this theory about constitutional immunity, which is sort of like a blanket immunity. when any administration has made that argument, courts have said, absolutely not. there's no such thing as a blanket immunity. you can make specific request based on executive privilege but you can't say we're not going to do that. also some of the names on that list, keith davidson, there's no argument they can't testify. i think you'll see they are looking into this campaign finance law violation and the question of the whole -- the second most famous of president trump's most famous dalliances with "playboy" playmate karen mcdougal, the whole catch and kill ami issue which has gone unnoticed recently, i think that's going to come back into the forefront here and they are going to get to the bottom of it. >> caroline is right on the money about the fact the campaign finance piece is going to generator more interesting information for house judiciary