isn't. >> let's take the case down the road. let's assume you got to a point of a conviction with jeffrey epstein. he doesn't have fear of incriminati incrimination. can you take him before a grand jury to get under oath testimony from him? if he doesn't have fifth amendment rights to protect? >> par couhe could, but he coul there are other rights he still had. the issue really is that after someone is convicted and received a significant snls, th they don't have a lot of incentive to play ball. they may be obligated to tell the truth, but if he is facing decades in prison at 66 years old, it's a drop in the bucket. >> what would the worries be in donald trump's mind tonight? >> i think he's going to be