north korean side had been eliminated. he said, i don't really know. i certainly hope not. that's an indication that the u.s. side doesn't have great visibility into what's happening in north korea on the internal dynamics, internal politics. victor and chris know that from their time there. it's always been a challenge trying to figure out the power structure inside the kim regime. that dynamic hasn't changed. >> victor, talk about that. looking inside north korea and who might be the team that's going to be working with the americans and for that matter as well since we saw jay moon, who there? >> the secretary of state and then his deputy on this. in north korea, the issue was that the initial negotiations that led to the singapore summit and hanoi on the north korean side were led by people from the