i feel like i'm the last generation. i was actually bussed to a magnet school in chicago from the south side to the north side literally of the city, and it was -- it was, you know, for so many of us, it was transformational in terms of our life trajectories and mobility. here's the thing, nobody under 40 actually knows what that means. like what does busing mean? what does voluntary or forced or mandated desegregation mean? so it's interesting that it's now back center, right in the center of the democratic debate. >> it's fascinating. >> is it, i think, about -- and amy said this. this is how social movements have changed in the democratic party. there has been a racial justice movement, the movement for black lives where many people say it's focused on policing and criminal justice. it's put these other issues of race front and center. that was an interesting addition to the conversation around racial justice or school segregation. our schools have been resegregated. there's a whole new conversation we're about to have about what is our commitment to desegregation in schools.