when julian mentions racial justice has to be part of the economic solution. the center of our politics and our party and what we're looking for is a leader who can deal with our complex issues. women of color call that intersectional politics, but simply put, if you have a leader that can think 4-d in those days, those are the kind of leaders that are exciting the base right now. >> howard, what do you think about the critique -- i asked tom perez about it, and i think it relates to what aimee was just saying. look, the party is in the midst of a fascinating ideological moment, beth on these substantive issues about things like should we repeal criminalization of illegal entry into the u.s., which was one of the debates between julian castro and beto o'rourke. there is this line of thinking that the party is moving too far left, or even the way that the party is talking to itself, right, as it sort of stitches together an extremely diverse coalition, the most diverse coalition in american politics since reconstruction.