states have passed no private prisons, didn't get through. the fact of the matter is i don't think we should be sending anyone with a drug problem into a prison. they should be going into a rehabilitation system. we should be training people in jail how to read and write. not only should they have their rights restored to vote but they should have all their benefits available to them, pell grants and so on. it has to start. it has to start in allowing children -- that's my wife. anyway, sorry, sorry. >> i can't compete with dr. biden. i think we'll leave it there. >> garret hake, thank you for that. it was worth hanging in. joe biden and now dr. jill biden on stage. chris matthews has senator gillibrand. chris? >> thank you, brian. senator, thank you. you know, you raised an interesting challenge i think to the president tonight. is he taking us to war with