she did a bank shot off barack obama's deportation policy to hit that man, joe biden, on immigration. that was brave and it went very well for her. >> you keep talking about survivor, though. is this an urgent thing or just something that has to happen? so that the front runners get more attention? >> absolutely. in 2016 in the republican field there were 17 people running but only one celebrity. in this instance you have a lot of voters who kind of like them all. i know people who are like a little bit about buttigieg, i like a bit about biden. i kind of think biden may be the one who can win and he may not be my favorite but i have to go with him. i like a little kamala harris but i also like a little warren. you've got to stand out in a way people start to separate somebody from the field. tonight, kirstjen gillibrand, kudos for staying in it. but kamala harris presented herself essentially as a front-runner tonight. >> former democratic colleague