ultimately settle down, beyond the likability of the candidate. we've done the cult of personality. that was trump. now the question becomes the substance of what you bring to the table, which is why an elizabeth warren/donald trump debate in the fall of next year gets really interesting, because there is only so much ducking you can do when you're getting hit on policy. and if that's what the voters want to side, a lot of times it's the activists who you know the term, influencers, activists are ones who friends come and say at least not maybe who should i vote for, but who are the two or three for real and take their word on that. i spoke to one young voter today who said he is all about yang. i said why. he said he is the only data-driven candidate. and i said that's probably true. >> it is. but you got to go beyond data driven. there is more to it than the data. so the question for someone like a yang, who no one has an idea about maybe beyond the tech space is how will you be president? how will you do the presidency?