i hope that you can live with that. susan page, the i.c.e. agents, the folks on the ground who are trying to deal with this, and who are confused by the policy, confused, i think, morally, about what it is they are being asked to do and the images they are seeing. talk about how, you know, this is where the institutions i worry falter a little bit in a situation like this because institutions are made of people and policies need to be clear and based on moral groundings. >> and you know, the president had actually announced a big ice raid planned for mass deportations and it was after nancy pelosi called him and had a 12-minute conversation that he agreed to put it off. you know, we've talked earlier in the hour about the potential power of robert mueller testifying before congress. if you want to talk about the potential power of an image, think about the picture that the associated press released yesterday that showed a man crossing the rio grande drowning