15% think it should be elizabeth warren, 1% thinks it should be jay inslee. while there's unanimity in the goal overall, you want to show you can go toe to toe, the way people are assuming that some of the bigger names -- i mean, it seems that joe biden is really benefiting from this notion that he has what it takes to take on trump. >> you want others -- other people want to show, hey, i can do it too. you don't need to do that by fighting with joe biden, you can do that by looking into the camera. >> right, here's -- >> i want to make sure i understand that. the way you show you can take on trump is to take him on in absentia, that's a way -- there's a marker to people who are looking to someone who can do that. >> for all intents and purposes there's going to be an 11th person on stage both nights,