healthy. i think we can't be satisfied, john. >> sure. there are a lot of debates and there have been for a long time. what is fascinating is in the history of post-war or post-world war ii america, we have not had an active debate about socialism and what it means and whether it's appropriate to -- really, for 50 years. the last time, generally, you had a really aggressive public debate over the possibility of socialism, where democratic socialism is going back to pre-world war ii. i think it does speak to the depth of the eco anxiety, even in the face of a trump economy which on the surface seems to be doing pretty well that, this 30 years of economic stagnation of flat living standards, of wages not going up, of globalization, of the technology revolution, of the fear of automation, of the fact that so many families now