operations and all the options, they look at all of the contingencies, and one of those is the collateral damage assessment. that is the potential for how many civilians could be hurt or killed in this kind of an operation. what we don't know is exactly what happened at that meeting at the white house yesterday? did they sit him down and explain to him the collateral damage assessment or not? but the notion that it wouldn't be part of the original military planning is pretty difficult to understand, ali. >> and following on that, is it possible that the president would only have learned that approximately 150 people would die with minutes to spare? i would imagine when there's a submission of that sort of proposal general barry mccaffrey told me they have proposals for any contingency, about places you don't think we have aggressive relationships with. the idea of what we call collateral damage, the death of people, that would have to be very high up in that report.