the phrase silence is golden is taking on a new meaning when it comes to donald trump's investigation and his allies. the judiciary committee released a transcript of the interview with hope hicks, where it was revealed trump administration lawyers were stopped from answering questions 155 times. but that stonewalling will help deliver congress a crucial win in cord, according to the committee's chairman jerry nadler. quote, it very much played into our hands. it's one thing to tell a judge blanket immunity is not the right thing, and it's another thing where i judge can see what it means in actuality and how absurd it is. joining us now at the table and from msnbc "the oath" and if you're not listening to the podcast should be, chuck rosenberg. i was a white house director and read the questions she didn't answer. harry waxman was not the chair but are on the oversight. i turned over all of my emails