>> how are they that close in the car? >> some people think we sit too close. that was stephanopoulos and donald trump. >> maybe the way the camera was. >> even if you take the president at his words, those polls don't exist, they do exist. the new polling from fox news appears to backup those very same weak numbers. >> joining us now steve cornacki who has information on non-leaked polls. these are published polls. >> these are polls that anybody can see. the new fox news polls. >> that's the president's favorite network. >> if you are looking here, this is reputable public poll. this is what they found and it is consistent of what other pollsters are finding from other outlets who are checking in right now. you match the president's name up against the likely democratic poebt opponents he could face. a lead for biden.