>> i'm going to push back a little because she was in a very tough spot. hardest white collar job in the world, and she's supporting and trying to defend the president. and so if he's saying fibs or selling lies or whatever he's doing, it's impossible for her to be the geico walrus and take every single shot on net for the president of the united states. the other thing is i i think she did a very good job given the circumstances she was put in. so one last thing about sarah, okay, she's a good person, donny. and at the end of the day she did the best possible -- >> you obviously live this every day. what was your take on her as a person? >> i think everyone would agree she is a good person, mother, wife, no question there. that being said you have to separate -- >> that's a weird thing we've come to particularly with this