did violate it. will this president fire her as a result and how unusual is it to have this sort of ruling? >> it is very unusual for the office of special counsel to have to conclude not only that there was a violation of the hatch act by a government official but multiple violations by kellyanne conway. they already toild the white house about her violations months ago. nothing happens. president trump won't fire her. he won't fire her for the same reason he won't comply with the election law or the emoluments clause for the same reason he will not honor congressional subpoenas from the united states house of representatives. he has a great big middle finger up in the air for the law, for the congress and that is not going to change until there is an open impeachment inquiry. >> we're going to leave it there. richard painter, thank you for your time on this saturday. the kickoff to the democratic primary is days away. over two nights 20 candidates