now you're going to have millions, tens of millions watching for these candidates. the opportunity there is much more substantial than we saw in the not too distant past. >> jeremy, this is totally anecdotal, but i guess i'm surprised mulch people are looking to these debates to help them sort of figure out who they're going to include and who they're going to step away from. the only people pretty much who i found who said i absolutely want this candidate were people who were volunteering or had the t-shirts on, you know? i wonder how big you think the audience is going to be. how important is this? give us your gut or maybe based on you going out and about and talking to voters. >> well, i've heard anecdotally and also from democratic pollsters that there's been a real problem with any of these