a foreign adversary. >> when it comes to back channel communications on political or national security issues or views from the white house, one of the things that russia and other significant nation states, intelligence organizations tried to have that created and the reason they will do is they try to get the current administration, whether it's the one currently in there now or whenever, having their public face confuse with what either the state department is saying or people saying stuff through a ba back channel. this was going on with the maria butina case. they will do it at different levels. the key is russia wants to get the administration, whatever administration that is, off balance. what their real political views are and potential back channels. >> trying to get things off balance. that's just what justice department counter intelligence chief david loftman told us live