vision of democratic socialism. we're here with kristen solstice anderson. what exactly it is that socialism means and this fight to define it. kristen, i'll hear from you first and jamal, i would like your take as well. what exactly -- how are american voters defining it right now? is it young versus old, people who remember the cold war versus people who don't, or is there something else? >> there is a generational divide. younger people are much more positive about socialism but they're also not defining it as the government controlling the means of production and running the economy. they're defining it as people working together. what will be fascinating is as folks like bernie sanders who want to define and defend the term socialism, how do they define it? is it something like a sweden or denmark where you have a robust social safety net and tax rates