this is the biggest mistake people are making about the politics of this over and over again which is the fal laefs analysis. that doesn't mean there will be a giant shift towards impeachment but it doesn't mean there won't be depending what facts are put on the table. that gets back to why we need fact witnesses. >> the fallacy of static analysis. i'll be stealing that. viewers will be hearing that on this program in the future. jill wine-banks, joyce vance, and john heilemann, thank you for starting an us off tonight. appreciate that. when we come back, no one on the house judiciary committee knows more about impeachment than our next guest. zoloft gren served on the committee when bill clinton was impeached as did many other members of the committee but she is the only member of the committee who was there when the committee voted to impeach president richard nixon in 1974, back then, congresswoman lofgren was a staffer on the house judiciary committee during the