chamber is probably more for the companies and the people that are members than they are for our country. >> for more on the president's increasingly fractious relationship with the country, i'm joined by david cay johnston, founder of dcreport.org. david, there is truth in what the president says. the chamber of commerce is not an organization representative of ordinary working americans and there are actual issues with international trade, but where it came to mexico, the president took a pretty good strong working relationship with a neighbor and ally and used it in a way we don't traditionally use what is normally a carrot. >> well, you'll notice here that the biggest business organizations like the chamber, which represents large corporations primarily, are treating mexico very differently than china. and in this case, trump has created a problem by getting people from central america to come now for fear the border will be closed forever. he has reached an agreement way