folks from that access. >> the facts behind this position that he held for 40 years, the facts behind that have not changed. we just heard what he said about wanting to preserve access for all. >> absolutely. >> is your position then that somebody with his experience, his years in the senate, his years as vice president did not understand for those 40 years that the hyde amendment disproportionally affected poor women and women of color? >> that's not my position. what i said was and let me be clear, we have been having our thoughtful conversation about our impending health care policy. let's just be frank. earlier this week the reports of the hyde amendment -- we didn't come out with a press lease. the vice president was not somewhere pontificating about his very deeply held personal religious believes.