close associates even for the purpose of impeding investigations. your view. >> i don't believe you can. i believe they thought they were executives and they had nixon corollary. if the president said it is the law, so it is because the president said it. i think the people around him, the justice department, both rosenstein and barr, they all believe that. the fact is, it is an old statement and the darrel of justice had this ruling. you can't be a judge in your own matter. so you can't give yourself a pardon. you can't give your family members a pardon. you can't do any of these things. if that were test in the court, that would be found to be a failure. >> let me ask you the toughest question. this is the one i'm really wondering. if wolff is on the right track. if these quotes are substantially in the ballpark of what was being internally discussed, why would this be coming out?