unvarnished, some might say realistic remarks about the status of where these negotiations are going to go and how this deal might end up. i mean, remember the soaring rhetoric of deal of the century. the ultimate deal. this is very much creating the expectation, hey, the secretary understands this might be rejected. they're hoping that it isn't. but they're very much expecting that there could be a very, very angry response to this. >> in axios interview, jonathan swan pressed kushner on some of the actions his companies have taken in the region in the past, funding israeli settlements in the west bank, for example s. kushner at this point viewed as a credible intermediary in these talks? or is this simply something that, you know, the president wants to see? i mean, how serious are people taking jared kushner? >> i mean, he's not viewed as credible by the palestinians.