commit a crime were attorney client privilege conversations or just -- they couldn't -- they couldn't prove intent. the fact that you couldn't prove that he intended to obstructs justice doesn't mean it's not an obstructive act. that's one of the things that mueller made a note of in the report when citing in particular thing. and then also finally the last -- i know i'm rambling a bit. they dangle a pardon. and again, the president's pardon power is absolute. but i don't think the framers when granting the president clemency power intended for the president of the united states to be pardoning -- floating pardons to people merely to sort of assure silence or assure testimony. so there is just a lot going on. and it just speaks to poor judgment at a minimum and a maximum criminal conduct by the cht united states. >> susan page, i got one for you. this is former democratic congressman from maryland dona edwards in "washington post" today about now exacts need to