that all the politicians point toward gun owners like me and say you're the problem. >> felipe -- >> it's the total opposite. no one is pointing at you. if you have a gun, i think that's great. the problem is it becomes a false conversation about the minute we want someone to not have a magazine with 17 rounds in it, that we want to abolish the second amendment. >> look, it's hard to debate guns with people who don't shoot guns. i've had 28 hours of -- >> i have a firearm permit. that has nothing to do with it. >> you know that 17 is a common magazine size. >> i don't have an ar-15 with a bump stock. >> i don't think anyone should have one. >> okay, so why is ar15 ownership still an issue? >> i don't know. >> i own an ar15, it's a very good gun. i would never think of taking it against another human being.