county, pennsylvania. john meacham, i wish i had more time. john, are you for the pro censure approach or not with peggy noonan? where are you, john? >> i'm not for it only because i think it's barely a slap on the wrist. i think if it were to fail, he would claim more exoneration. >> well said. >> i think -- and -- you know what i mean? >> i agree completely. >> if you're going to go for the king, go to the king. >> thank you, john meacham, heidi przybyla. a normal president would be deeply hurt by a censure. this president wouldn't even feel the welt. let's get the latest on that horror story in virginia beach. the police chief said 11 people were killed. another six were injured. the suspect was shot and killed by police. so we're getting that word now. multiple sources tell wavy, a local nbc affiliate, that the