not on fettered free trade. >> to give a version of what the vice president seemed to be saying. it seemed to me, this is not a zero sum proposition in the way donald trump thinks about it. he says any game by anyone else is a loss for us. a gain for china is a loss for us. a gain for mexico. that seems like a bad way of thinking the global economy works. china and the u.n. can grow together. >> absolutely. and china deserves credit. if i'm not mistaken. china has done a better job in wiping out desperate levels of poverty over a 30, 40-year period than any country in history and they deserve credit for that.