violence, anyone who says you can is a liar. >> what is your clinical estimation of the lack of distinction? >> you just have to understand the numbers. tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people hold racist ideas. number committing racist violence is very low and very low portion of the people committing violence in our society. attacks inspired by ideology, dwarfed by number of spree shooters and other attackers. we have to understand how the groups organize in a way -- because you -- what you need to do to address hate spread through whatever methods is different from what you have to do to reduce the amount of violence in our society. two separate things that require separate responses.