we haven't been able to get any word from the irs as to whether he actually did that or whether this person personally chosen by the president who has previous experience working for the president might himself have been involved with this decision-making process at the irs. is that something we should have a right to figure out, that you think we might be able to chase down somehow? >> absolutely. and recusal seems to have gone out of fashion in this administration with jeff sessions. but there certainly should have been a recusal of this individual here. we can't even find out whether trump is under audit, has ever been under audit, has any basis -- we've tried not only to get the returns but to determine whether the audit actually ever occurred or is under audit now. that's other information that he could provide and has not provided. but it's consistent as you pointed out with what he's written in the past, the position he's taken of acting not on behalf of the public trust but on behalf of trump as his personal assistant much in