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this is an issue for sure, especially if the laws keep pushing the envelope, even if they don't make it to the supreme court because so many are so similar. >> democrats are going to be running using pat robertson in their adds saying it's extreme. >> yes. any law for emotional and purity reform has to strike a balance. i think the heartbeat bills in georgia and other states drive home how early a heartbeat is detectable. so the movement, since it's basically shutdown democratic issue, has to be about public persuasi persuasion. those bills help, alabama doesn't. >> rich, i agree with you. i think the alabama bill is obviously extreme, it was designed to get to the supreme court and get there rapidly.

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