we start the debate process, when more and more candidates come forward and people are able to see them collectively on stage talking to each other, having policy debates. i think more people will come forward as people and candidates who can take on trump. right now joe biden is doing exactly -- if i was advising him, he's doing exactly what he should be doing. >> you agree, don? >> yeah, he's running on electability and also familiarity. joe biden's main cache is his proximity to the most popular politician of our lifetime, barack obama. but i continue to challenge this notion of what does electability mean? on some very subconscious level, electability means a square-jawed, heterosexual white guy. i reject that notion. i will until i'm done with this political game. >> okay. unfortunately, i've got to wrap there. that means, amy, i'm starting with you next time. good to see all three of you. the improbable win of alexandria ocasio-cortez. i'll speak with the filmmaker of a new documentary on the democratic activist seeking to