african-american voter, do you think it's around a set of policies, name id or what you just described as -- >> i think it's all of the above. a lot of it is name id, they don't know him, have experiences with him. but i'd be lying if i said there are some in parts of the black community that are still homophobic, which why i wanted to take the position i did. and everyone should. you have to remember when president obama came out with same-sex marriage there was a lot of pushback. in 2003 when i said i was getting ready to run and was for same-sex marriage i had ministers saying to me, you can't come to my church until this cools off. let's not be dishonest, we have to in every community deal with it and deal with it we must. and mayor pete is doing that. >> you cannot win the democratic nomination without support from