wednesday. it's worth noting in 2013, in a sworn deposition, trump testified that he barely knew sater and wouldn't recognize him in the same room. in the meantime, sater has testified that he knew trump personally and the two discussed business deals throughout the 2000s. julian assange has refused to hand over documents to the house judiciary committee as he lives in ecuadorian embassy still. joining us "the new york times" katie bender and randy zealand here in new york. katie, business at doj, why is felix sater critical in the conversations to president trump? >> of course, because he touches all of of the essential