most self-interest in getting financial information correct, these banks, and it worked on them, too. explain. >> well, when you don't have -- when you're not guided by any deeply held set of values, you -- a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. >> i call simon. >> good for you. and -- >> i was looking for a dab. >> oh, i'm with you. i went into reflection. not supposed to do that. >> i thought you were going to graceland. >> my god, you are on it tonight, ari! so i think he found a bank that was desperate and he is incredibly good at doing that. this is grifter culture. he's been a king of grifter culture for a long, long time. and he finds fellow grifters who want to be to beat the system, who don't have the goods credibly and substantively to do it. and he elsells them on his stuf. one of the things that actually