a larger vocabulary. >> you painted a picture of this sort of discrepancy between how they pitched themselves to anyone that will still take the lines and the bs, and what they actually do inside the west wing. does any of this ring true to you? >> i think the distinction i will make is i don't think they went in there trying to be the moderating voices that everyone expected them to be. they know their father and father-in-law better than anybody and they know their ability to actually do anything and change his opinion is very small. so i think there was a projection that a lot of people who knew him very well or pinned their hopes on him being this new york city society couple had hoped they would be these moderating voices, they went in there for the wrong reasons. they didn't go down and move their lives to washington to help the president. they went in there to help themselves and do their own thing. >> they're also tied to a lot of questions about criminality and scandal. the biggest background clearance