exactly are you going to be proposing, but i think this is kind of an insider game that we've sort of created the meme that he's got to, you know, come out with 50-page white papers that nobody is going to believe. you have, what, 40 democratic candidates for president. and they're -- >> are we at 40 now? >> 40, 45, since we started. they're all competing for some attention. so i understand how it's now become the consequentiventional that everybody has to have all the details. given what we saw in 2016, what beto o'rourke is doing is -- i mean, let's face it, comparing him to the donald trump specificity, he comes off as, you know, felix frankfurter. >> that's a deep hole, charlie. yamiche, charlie is talking about specifics here. one person i would argue in this field who is kind of rolling out very specific policy proposals is elizabeth warren, in some ways following a model, i