>> it seems like it is wrapping up and seems closer to the end than the beginning. i think that is very safe to say. but we just found out today that rick gates is continuing his cooperation, not just with new york prosecutors or prosecutors in d.c. or whoever, but with mueller's team. he is answering questions about the donations to trump's inaugural committee, for example. he's answering questions about the middle east influence into trump's campaign. this isn't just about russia, right? rick gates is the silent person in the background who had direct visibility into the things his boss, paul manafort, was doing throughout the entire campaign. and paul manafort i'm increasingly convinced is the lynch pin of this case. >> rick gates and paul manafort, were both at that havana cigar bar meeting with the russian, kilimnik. if there was a conspiracy, it's hard to imagine that manafort wasn't part of it, right? >> right. >> is that fair to say?