prosecutor from indicting and prosecuting a sitting president. but that federal justice department policy doesn't bind state prosecutors whatsoever. and neither state prosecutors nor federal prosecutors are barred from bringing any sort of prosecution against the president's business or against people who work for the president at his business, whether or not they're his children. is this today new york prosecutors showing the president how to expect this will be done? joining us once again is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in alabama. joyce, thank you for sticking with us. i'm wondering what you think about this idea that the state prosecutors are sort of taking aim at the president here and showing the way that state law might produce a prosecution even out of those felony campaign finance charges we already saw against cohen. >> it's very interesting that we're talking really about three different prosecutors' offices, at least three, the southern district in new york. that's federal prosecutors.