such a callous sentence that is totally understand necessary. >> then less than two hours later at the white house, the president basically made the same bogus claim. >> do you have any idea when the mueller report is coming down, are you anxious to see it? >> again, it was proven today. no collusion. no collusion. no collusion. there has not been collusion, and it was all a big hoax and you know it. >> you know when you lie to the special council it was perhapsed an attempt to obstruct the ability to find out if there was collusion. there is one set of problems involved paul manafort, and those problems are clear, but there is another set for president trump and those problems are more complicated. joining me kristin welker from the white house. tom winter our head of investigations reporter, and