things that i'm hearing, as i move around the country, it is not just trump the person, but it's trump policies. trump in many ways is moving to try and eliminate, if not eliminate where he can a lot of the things that this country made progress in, in terms of dealing with jobs and dealing with not having the rich get these crazy tax breaks and dealing with things like criminal justice system that's fair. and voting rights. so it is not just trump who is -- appears abrasive as a personality, but his policies. they are stacking the federal courts with judges that are scary to many of us in the civil rights community. >> absolutely. his signature bill was to raid the national treasury for $1.5 trillion. $2 trillion if you include interest, and distribute to the