democrats won gerrymandering republican districts in 2018. however, i do fundamentally disagree with you about how we talk about policy in 2020. what you and i probably both agree is that president trump will not want to have a serious policy debate. he will make it all about personality, in which he -- >> no, i disagree. >> which he did in 2016. however, i do think that democrats, that we can do both, we can talk about progressive policy, a progressive policy prescription but talk about it in such a way that they connect with voters all across the country, even independent thinkers and moderates who believe that we have gone off the cliff as a country under this president. >> let me show you something -- >> no, but antjuan, i've got to push back a little bit on that. i think trump has a great record to run on with regards to policy. i think a lot of americans are going to like it, whether it's jobs, wages, you know, a lot of conservative base loves his breaking apart the regulatory state. i think he's got a great record to run on. i think he's going to be a great blend of policies, and also