do what they want. >> i think that's in the manafort sentencing. there's another set of crimes he's guilty of, but a judge who has taken a lot harder view on his crimes throughout the trial. we'll see what happens there. if you want people to cooperate after they're caught or even after they plead guilty, michael cohen did so. he's gotten three years, and he's still going to jail after all the cooperating he's done, and he only stole a measly million or whatevered, manafort stole tens of millions, and he basically gets one more year? >> there's no sense between the two. >> in your view, can a sitting president be indicted?