>> as a message that goes to all of the republican and conservative campaign operatives and candidates who are moving up through the ranks today. because they will remember what happens here. it would be a terrible message to send to them that it's okay to do something like this or you can get off or you can use political connections in order to -- in order to minimize your sentence. he gets up today, manafort gets up today and says, oh, i've been humiliated, well, cry me a river. this guy knew when he got on board a presidential campaign that all of his financial transactions would be subject to a greater degree of scrutiny. he knew that going into this. eyes wide open. if he has any contrition whatsoever, it's because he got caught. so no sympathy for paul manafort whatsoever. terrible example for the country and for the republican party. >> and it's notable to hear you say that, because in addition to being a republican in quite good standing, i believe you chaired one of the largest state parties in the country for the gop. >> i did. i was chairman of the california republican party from 2007 to '11. that was a volunteer position. >> are you saying -- are you